May 12, 2004

those hoods look awfully familiar

UPDATE: 5/18: Four men have been detained for the beheading of Nick Berg.

via: Captain's Quarters

From 5/12 Originally

Peacefully, I left my home yesterday afternoon to go shopping. Upon return, I flip to the news online to find Nick Berg, dead.

Immediately, I was filled with emotions remaining from Daniel Pearl’s death.

Immediately, I left the page where I was viewing the news, sat down and sobbed.

I didn’t know Daniel Pearl. I didn’t know Nick Berg. But, they are both part of the mishpacha, and that is why they have died. They weren’t just Americans. They were American Jews.

What’s worse…much, much worse… is that the bastards who have done this are claiming that this is retaliation for Abu Ghraib. Like hell, you Islamofascist fuckwads!

And, how dare the media for playing that up!

I find it difficult to be calm, rational and perhaps even intelligible about this. Therefore, I refer you to A Small Victory, where Michele is all of those things and more.

In addition, I leave you with the ever talented stylings of Cox & Forkum.


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UPDATES:

5/12: If you must see the video, Kevin offers several options HERE. I just couldn't do it. I'm so sick over this whole thing. Soulsick.

5/12: Check out what Spacemonkey's coworker thought of the slaughter. It's really cool...NOT

5/12: If you're looking for the REAL inequalities of Abu Ghraib vs. Nick Berg, Wardialer, of Amish Tech Support, has it HERE.

5/14: A few DJs in Oregon thought it would be fun to play the tape of Nick Berg's beheading and laugh about it. They were, thankfully, fired. As my husband says, "Who's laughing now assholes?"

UPDATE...THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE:
Please take this opportunity to send your condolences to the Berg family. Thank you!
via: Israpundit

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Comments

You put your gut reaction down on the page. That works for me.

A passive reaction would be irrational.

Posted by: Key at May 12, 2004 05:19 PM

I have a lot of thoughts and emotions about all of this but typed words don't do any justice and I would be here for hours. As much as I hurt for this gentleman and his family, a part of me isn't at all shocked and surprised. Al Que-da has no qualms about dying for their cause so why on earth would they care about another human's life? That is who they are, that is what they do.

They have taken this war on Iraq and have used it to advance their cause. Call me a cynic but I see this getting a lot worse before it gets any better. Sadly because the terrorists and the media are concentrating on the 'avenging the Iraqi prisoners' many people are blaming the Iraqi people for this horrific act. These terrorists are playing us against the people of Iraq. They want us to watch the video (I refuse to), they want us to slaughter and harm the people of Iraq and judging by the responses of a lot of people, it's working. Make people think they are avenging the prisoners so it looks like they are for the Iraqi people, bullshit! They are for no one but their cause! They could give a rats ass! These are the same people that are suspected of the bombings in Iraq and the bombing in Spain.

Anyway I'm starting which I said at the beginning I wasn't going to. I will take my leave now :)

Posted by: Kim at May 12, 2004 09:23 PM

I've seen the video. For the firt time in my life I think I had a panic attack! I was hyperventilating. My chest was heavy. I physically had to throw up! All my years of seeing blood and guts was thrown down the toilet. Watching someone killed is beyond words.

This is all because of the media. Yes, the torture of Iraqi prisoners is not right. Yes, those "guards" should be punished. We have to remember something very important here. These were not innocent people. These were prisoners! They themselves are terrorists! They were not beheading innocent people! The media has forgotten that part. The media should not be airing our "dirty laundry". These photos should have never been released.

I don't understand however if they feel this is right to get revenge why cover themselves? Why hide like cowards? They vow to do this over and over again. What in the hell is Bush waiting for? Bomb the suckers!

You cannot negotiate with terrorists! These people are willing to die and want to die for their "cause". So help them out...KILL THEM!

Posted by: Ami at May 12, 2004 11:09 PM

I feel your pain. I am myself afraid to watch any TV or even turn on the radio for fear that I will be forced to listen to yet more horror. I think and have thought for quite a while now that the media is totally irresponsible in it's reporting. They only add to the circus and make things worse. We should get all non-essential personnel out of there. I am not saying that we don't have the right to know what is going on - but war is war - it WILL be horrible. I watched enough of the Vietnam conflict to know what happens in war - and even back then we weren't privy to ALL the horror.

I am sorry to see anyone suffer, whether they be Jews, Americans or Arabs/Palestinians. I don't believe all Jews hate all Palestinians , I don't believe all Palestinians hate all Jews. I think what happens is that you have extremists on both ends and that helps fuel the fire. I also feel that in Islamic traditions - something has gone very wrong and yes they are very willing to die for their causes - regardless of the rightness of that cause. That's what makes it all so dangerous - but killing them, their children is only going to make them more determined.

Sometimes I think there is never going to be an end to the battles in the Middle-East. It makes my heart very heavy and sad to feel this way. I am not sure what we need to do and most days I am not sure there is anything anyone can do - except chalk it up to human beings being idiots.

I want to see peace above all else. But that's me just being me - a dreamer at heart - hoping that perhaps one day we will all learn to play nice in the sandbox (no pun intended).

On the other hand, the other part of me - the realist part does feel like OK now it is time to kick some serious ass. We need to stop being mamby-pamby about this - Mr. G.W. Bush needs to stop pussy-footing around and just drop some bombs. End it all once and for all. Why are we spending money re-building a country when they could care less? Don't we have starving kids over here? Don't we have problems in the US of A that need to be solved? Let's do what we set out to do over there and get the hell out!

Posted by: Colette at May 13, 2004 07:48 AM

Ami not all these prisoners were guilty. Like the prisoners in Cuba they are being held until they can be cleared of wrong doing. According to the Red Cross, at least 70% of these prisoners are not guilty of anything.

Also I think it's a little extreme to suggest 'bombing' them. These are terrorists not Iraqi civilians. Should innocent Iraqi people die as a result of what the terrorists are doing? These people have not ask for their world to be ripped apart. They should not have to suffer anymore as a result of some inhumaine groups of people, just as the Amercians shouldn't have to suffer as a result of some idiots that abused prisoners but that is what is happening and what is going to happen, the people of Iraq are going to end up paying the price for what these terrorists are doing. More and more Americans are going to get extremely angry and blame them.

It is a hell of a mess and sadly there is no 'quick' answer. We can only pray that someday, a solution will be found.

Posted by: Kim at May 13, 2004 11:21 AM

More and more Americans are going to get extremely angry...

Well, of course we are. And, I think we have the right. I think that we have repressed our feelings about these people long enough. I think that we are treating them with kid gloves because of political correctness.

That said, when I say, "these people," I mean the radical Islamists...not the average Iraqi citizen. As a matter of fact, I think that the focus should come off of the big picture of Iraq, and military forces should focus on the real culprits...the small group of people who believe that what was done to Nick, is the right thing.

Posted by: Linda at May 13, 2004 12:08 PM

Linda, thanks for the link.
You have given me an Auter-lanche.

Posted by: SpaceMonkey at May 13, 2004 01:02 PM

You misunderstood what I meant Linda. Of course your angry and of course you have the right. That is not what I meant.

Things like this are just going to cause undue abuse and harm to those that don't deserve this and to those that are not responsible. Do you know how many times I have heard people say "we should just blow the fuckin' Iraqi's up and get it over with"? Why? What on earth did they do? Why should the Iraqi people be harmed? So by my comment on Americans being more angrier, I meant that if such a hatred was there previous towards the people of Iraq, it is going to be a hell of a lot worse now. Unfortunately they are getting angry at the wrong people. They are channeling that hatred in the wrong place and it is the innocent that are going to suffer, on both sides.

A lot of people are lumping the terrorists and the people of Iraq as one and they are not and because this is happening on their land, a lot of people think they are the ones responsible and they are not!

At least you have stated what you mean by "these people" but many don't. Many think they are all like that and many would love to see them all gone. It's that way of thinking that really irks me but hey, we are all allowed to have our views, so I'll have to live with it LOL

Posted by: Kim at May 13, 2004 02:04 PM

I totally agree, Kim. It's very easy for some to lump them all together. But, they are very different groups of people. Most Iraqis are as innocent as Nick Berg. We need to get the ones who killed Nick, and every other one like that. Like you said before, though, there's no clear way to do that. But, like I said, the first step is to step away from the "Iraqi Big Picture" and refocus to those who are really the threat. Thanks for the clarification!

Posted by: Linda at May 13, 2004 02:08 PM

I agree with you 100%. I apologize, often there is so much that goes on in my head that I can't seem to get out all the words what I mean. That is why earlier I said, I would be here for hours if I tried LOL

Posted by: Kim at May 13, 2004 03:09 PM

Kimmie?

Do we need a group cyberhug here too? ;)

For those of you who don't know what that refers to, a very similar convo happened over on Kim's site a while back when the photographs from Abu Ghraib came out. In many ways, we were all on the "same page," but went about discussing our feelings in different ways.

I think it's really important for people to express their feelings about this. I'm sure there are many who don't want harm to come to innocent people, yet put them under the same Islamic blanket, when they're really not. Perhaps when their heads clear, they will be able to be more rational. It's very anger provoking though. I couldn't write more than that post yesterday...and it wasn't even the day it happened. The day it happened, I was sobbing too much.

Posted by: Linda at May 13, 2004 05:13 PM

Big Hug!

Posted by: Kim at May 13, 2004 08:31 PM

I absolutely could not bring myself to see the video. Why would I? My imagination is bad enough, at this point. I simply can't take it.

That poor family - - thank you for sharing the link to share condolences.

Posted by: Lisa at May 13, 2004 10:41 PM

If it was up to them, the extremists, they would kill us in a heartbeat. In fact right now they're probably sitting there trying to plot another 9/11. How many episodes do we need to see before we actually end this war? Unfortunately, that is what it has to come down to at least in my opinion. The civilians in Iraq know what is going on. They know they are in danger. They know they should find refuge. Did they give the people in the twin towers enough time to find refuge? I think we've given them plenty of help and plenty of time to get out of there. If I knew something was going to happen to CA besides an earthquake I would do all I could to get my family out of here! I wouldn't spend my time hiding resources to help them. Kim I'm sorry I just do not agree with you. Just my opinion. Maybe that video has angered me more than I thought?! It's a horrible horrible horrible thing that has been done. It's going to keep happening. Do you think backing away now is going to fix things? Absolutely not!

Posted by: Ami at May 14, 2004 01:09 AM

Yes, the extremists want every American and Jew dead, and they would do them all like they did Nick Berg, if they could. But, not all extremists are Iraqis. I implore you not to consider them as the same kind of people.

The average Iraqi citizen is not so dissimilar from the rest of us; they get up in the morning to go to work in order to take care of their families. They do NOT have the resources to move somewhere else...and if they did, they don't have many options of places to go.

I AM going to focus on one thing that I think is important and that Michele, from
A Small Victory, has elaborated: we should be as angry over Nick Berg's death as we were over 9/11. Each act of violence they bring forth is a 9/11. We shouldn't accept another 9/11 before we do something. The discussion at this point is, what is the RIGHT thing to do.

You know, I've always loved the phrase, "If you keep doing the same things you've always done, you'll keep getting the same things you've always gotten." We understand that we need to do something different now. It's a difficult task to decide WHAT to do.

Posted by: Linda at May 14, 2004 08:00 AM

non of this would have started if you didnt abuse the iraqi citizens. i mean u got saddam hussain, u havnt found no weapons of mass destruction so i dont understand wat the hell british and american troops are doing in iraq. you should leave the iraqi citizens to rebuild there country themselves! leave the innocent iraqis alone and get your troops oout of there country.

Posted by: james abu at May 14, 2004 08:48 AM

Alright...you lumping all of us in the same category as those who abused the prisoners is as bad anyone lumping Iraqi citizens in the same category with the extremists who killed Nick.

And, for the record...I agree that we need to get the hell out.

Posted by: Linda at May 14, 2004 08:51 AM
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