Adoption vs. Abortion

This is a topic going on over at Asymmetrical Information right now. I spent the last hour combing through the 160+ comments. As you would imagine there are quite the foray of arguments. Suffice to say, you should read the article and the comments if you have the time. However, I’m going to comment on some of the arguments since it is not redundant to do so here.

“There aren’t remotely enough prospective adoptive parents to adopt a million unwanted children a year, year after year, even if every one of those children was an ideal adoption candidate (newborn, white and healthy), which many or most of them certainly would not be. The idea is just ludicrous.”

I’m glad that they thought of the logistical aspects of this, but what about the emotional effects? If you’ve ever been pregnant, you know what I mean. If a woman decides that she wants an abortion and that is the best choice for her after being educated to the alternate possibilities, then she alone will live with the consequences. NO ONE ELSE.

By this rationale, I would say that pro-lifers don’t care either way after the end of whatever happens, be it abortion, adoption or alien abduction. What I am horrified by is not seeing more adoptions come from homes of those who are pro-life. I think it’s hypocritical to make someone keep an unwanted pregnancy and not be in the adoptive parent pool.

“I believe that every woman’s choice to have sex should always be a free choice. However, I also believe that once that choice has been made, the time for choice is over until it is time to choose whether to keep the child or to place it for adoption.

I also fail to understand why, when an unmarried woman elects to have unprotected sex, gets pregnant and keeps the child, I now have the obligation to support not only the woman but also her child(ren).”

Can anyone tell me how this differs from the choice to abort? Because, what he’s saying is that he’s OK with the behavior, but not OK with the responsibilities that come along with the consequences.

You can’t have it both ways, buddy. If you want these women to keep their babies, you have to help them out. Many of them don’t qualify to work at a better establishment than McDonalds. It’s impossible to raise a child as a single mother on $7/hour.

Another point that was discussed by another pro-lifer was “If we as a society decide that life begins at conception and that abortion is the killing of a unique human being…”

I bet if you asked this guy who society was, his answer would be close to middle class Christians. While that category may comprise a large portion of society it is not ALL of society.

Here was my definition of life, made in the comments section:
“I believe life and death is determined by breath. If a child can breathe one breath on its own, life has begun. In my state, that is also the determination whether the child gets a birth certificate. Having worked in the OB unit of my local hospital, if a child was born at 20 weeks and took one breath, there was a birth certificate, even if the child died seconds later. What is done before that time, in my opinion, is the sole responsibility of she who is carrying that child.”

Any random neurons firing about this one???

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  1. “I am not a mother or pregnant yet! I am just doing research on adoption vs. abortion or parenting facts. I think that if a baby is born and growing in the mother it is considered alive. Then, when a abotion is done. I would considered that to be MURDER. I am all for adoption, and parenting. Abortion should never be a option and should become illegal in all states.” Remember this is my opinion. You could agree, or disagree, I don’t care. I am just expressing myself.

    I am 17 years old! Sugar Blossom (not real name)

  2. I am speaking as an adopted child . I am so thankful to my birthmother for considering my life valuable enough to give birth. She took the consquneces of having sex without being able to take care of me and delt with those consequnces by giving birth to me. She didn’t make me suffer.
    I speak as a baby that could have easily been aborted , you hear my voice , but you’ll never hear theirs. I have a chance at life , a pursiut of happiness that others who have been aborted don’t have. I’d also like to remind people that there is a heartbeat 18 days from conception.

  3. i think that abortion should be illegeal. abortion is basically taking anothers life. adoption takes the child off the mothers hands but yet it still lets the child have a like with parents that will love them and give them a healthy life. abortion should be illegeal. the mother puts the baby upon herself because there are ways for a women not to get pregnant. it is more like being irresponsible, having sex and taking the risk of getting pregnant but then not wanting the baby.

  4. Abortion is murder, period, whatever people may think. People think that babies are not considered alive until they are actually born, but i think this is a load of crap. God made each one of us with a specific purpose in life and to kill off a human child is ruining that childs chance of having friends, a family who loves them, or a future. If you are going to make a stupid mistake of having sex before marriage, then think of the consequences that can happen from that. Don’t kill off human life from your choices, the least you could do is put it up for adoption and give it a chance at life. You got one, why strip away from others?

  5. I agree it is murdering your own baby
    im 13 not pregnant
    doing speech on this
    if you dont want your kid there are to options
    1)you get abortion,killing your child:'(
    2)adoption your kid goin through life in pain when you find out . orsent to an orphanage. :'(

  6. I am adpoted. I am age 14. It is not hard to live knowing that i am adopted. It makes me feel good to know my parents now. I am still in contact with my birth parents. Abortion is murder. Adoption is an option.

  7. Hey, just curious…how do you all feel about the death penalty? A life is a life (to you), right?

    You know, I see that many of you aren’t even adults. I think it’s sad that you have closed your eyes to that which occurs in this world every day. Many of you have assumed that the abortion is from a person who willingly had sex. What about those who are raped? What about those who are raped by family members, often their own fathers?

    Most importantly, most of you have forgotten about a tenet in this country that allows us to still be great…freedom. When you take away the right for each individual to have control over their own bodies, you take away their freedom. You’re the same people who want to take the choice away from terminally ill patients to end their lives. You think it’s great for dogs to be euthanized because it eases their suffering, but people…yeah, let them suffer in pain for as long as “I” want them to.

    Please, do us all a favor and make decisions that you think are best for your own lives, but leave the rest of us alone. My life is not for YOU to decide.

  8. I have been with my boyfriend for 7 months and i really have seen how teenage pregnancy has changed his life.. he will never be the same.. he didnt ask for this and neither did this grandparents that have raised him very well .. they have put there life on hold just so he can be all that we can be….

    I think God everyday that they step up to the plate and took care of him and didntlet his mother get the abortion that she wanted to get… I know that he will make a big impact on the world.. he has already on so many people..

    So if u are thinking about abortion please reconsider it! Dont kill an inocent baby just because of something that wasnt plan… Dont ever think that getting pregnant was a mistake… God knew exactly what he was doing…. it may not of been planed but it wasnt a mistake… GIVE YOUR OWN BABY A CHANCE!!!

    I guarantee that some of these women that are having abortions would but there dog or cat to sleep… but they will kill there own flesh and blood. Thats not right! Its not the way out! And all the people who have an abortion will have to answer for it one day! What is this world coming too….

    There are other options! Adoption…. At least give your baby a head start..there are many good deserving people who cant have children .. who would give you baby a loving home.. i have alot of respect for women that keep there babies .. even if its only for 9 months… at least they took their responsibilities. If you are old enough to have sex then you are old enough to raise a baby… PLEASE DONT KILL YOUR BABY.. IF it could take it would agree.

  9. Its sad how easily people can ask God why such horrible things happen with out a second thought. As horrible as it is that there are cases like the one Linda mentioned God is always there, even if this world is slowly growing worse everyday God our lives in his hands and even though things don’t seem fair sometimes doesn’t mean God doesn’t love us or he isn’t there.

  10. Hi, I am replying to what Linda had to say back in November.

    Linda, I dont mean to accuse or sound disrespectful, becuase yes I am 17, and yes I’m still a kid, but I think you have blinded yourself. You say that there is freedom for everyone, what about that unborn child? don’t you think that they deserve the choice as to wether or not they want the chance to live and breathe? Also I admit rape is a terrible thing that does occur, too often. (once is too often infact) however, once AGAIN, that is not the fault of the child. GIVE IT UP FOR ADOPTION!~ dont kill it, when it is not the childs fault, it didnt CAUSE the Rape. that was obviously the choice of the man. I really think it is you who has closed your eyes, but I hope you can see that adoption, no matter what IS the option. Besides parenting.

    I am 17, and I was adopted, I am lucky and have a fantastic life with parents and a family who love me. abortion ELIMINATES all chances of this.

    thank you.


  11. The topic of abortion is one of the most controversial of our times. It has caused countless deaths and several violent confrontations between the two separate parties of opinion. The fight between pro-life and pro-choice supporters has been long and brutal.

    Abortion has been around for thousands of years all over the world. It has always been accepted as a means to prevent the suffering of both woman and potential child. It has been practiced widely in every society for many reasons including famine, war, poverty, overpopulation, or simply because a woman felt she was not ready for a child. No one ever questioned a woman’s right to this procedure up until the 1800’s but as time rolls on change is inevitable and people began to turn their attention in a new direction, the foetus. They began to protest abortion as cruel, inhumane, and murderous. Abortionists who were once glorified and depended upon were now highly frowned upon and were threatened. Although abortions were still performed on a regular basis, they were kept silent and seen as shameful. Over the next hundred years, public concern for the foetus continued to rise until the early 40’s; when in America, Abortion was made illegal. There was an abundance of congratulations among the pro-life supporters. They had succeeded in saving the lives of the hundreds of innocent babies who would have been slaughtered for the convenience of selfish, cruel and irresponsible women.
    Once Abortion was made illegal, women were much quicker to settle down and raise families or give these beautiful children over into the hands of the hundreds of loving couples who were just waiting for a baby to call their own. It seemed that the perfect law had just been passed. Or had it? Most doctors, fearing incarceration, refused to treat the women who so desperately wanted abortions. Women, who could see no way out, got so desperate that they would turn to “Back Room” clinics. These clinics were located in poverty-ridden areas of the city and their conditions were disgusting, covered in filth and disease. Inexperienced butchers using dirty and crude equipment treated the girls. As if these backroom clinics were not bad enough, there was an even more appalling decision a woman might face. If a she were unable to pay the high price for the illegal ‘surgery’ she would often perform the act herself. Knitting needles, coat hangers, antiseptic douches and poisons were used most often.

    • The foetus is not a human, just a mass of tissue.
    • Abortion is safer than childbirth.
    • Abortion is Safe.
    • Every child should be a wanted child.
    • The number of abortions is relatively small.
    • Nobody has the right to impose their morals on me.
    • A woman should be able to control her own body.
    • Abortion must be kept legal, especially for all the rape and incest pregnancies.
    • If abortion is outlawed women will be forced to go to back-alley abortion clinics.
    • Aborting unwanted children reduces the number of abused children.
    • We need to remember that we are overpopulating the planet.
    • Planned Parenthood is a group that focuses on contraception.
    • Abortion does not hurt me.
    • The blob inside me cannot feel any pain.

    • I believe that the unborn child is human.
    • I believe life begins at conception.
    • I believe that abortion is not safe.
    • I believe that abortion is a war on the unborn.
    • I believe that the Roe v. Wade decision, legalising abortion on demand in America, was one of the most important and devastating Supreme Court decisions.
    • I believe that a constitutional amendment should be passed that gives equal protection to all living humans, including the unborn.
    • I believe that the violence inside and outside abortion clinics is morally wrong.
    • I believe that rape and incest are horrible crimes and should be punished, but I don’t believe that a child conceived from either should be killed.
    • I do not believe that the government should fund Planned Parenthood- the largest national supplier of abortions.

    Many of the ultimate goals of those who favour abortion already exist. Abortion is legal in both of our nations until birth for social and economic reasons. Many areas use tax money to pay for elective abortions. What pro-abortion forces have not achieved has been to mainstream this procedure into the day to day practice of medicine. They also have not achieved a status of respectability, as the word “abortionist” still is one of low esteem, or even condemnation. Also, abortion is still strongly condemned by substantial segments of the cultures of both U.S. and Canada.

    The ultimate pro-life goal is quite direct and very simple. Pro-lifers want an amendment to the U.S. Constitution, to the Canadian Charter of Rights that will give equal protection under the law, to all living humans from the time their biologic life begins at conception until natural death. Understanding that such a goal remains yet in the future, pro-life people have an intermediate goal. It is a Constitutional Amendment returning the right to make decisions about abortion to each individual state in the U.S. and the equivalent in Canada to each individual province. This would take federal judges out of the mix completely, and make legislating on abortion a state’s issue. States and provinces could then allow abortion, forbid it, or anything in between.
    Since the above intermediate goals also remain yet unattainable, pro-life forces today are seeking more immediate goals, particularly so in the United States.
    These include parental notification and consent for abortion for minor daughters; specific public health regulation of free-standing abortion facilities; women’s right to know, or informed consent laws; forbidding of certain types of abortions (such as brain suction or partial birth abortions); forbidding of abortions for certain reasons, such as sex selection and after a certain age of foetal development.
    Certain allied issues can also be legislated such as forbidding destructive live foetal experimentation. Freedom of conscience can be guaranteed, both for individuals and for institutions. Laws to ban the use of tax monies for elective abortions have been the first line of attack for pro-lifers, but much yet can still be done. There are many avenues where federal monies have been given to pro-abortion organisations. A major ex-ample is family planning which includes abortion as a method of family planning. Government support for institutions that have encouraged and referred for abortions could be terminated and such monies redirected to those that support women before, during, and after birth.

    The life in the womb is really part of the woman and the woman has the right to do as she wills with her body.
    If it is part of the woman then does the woman has four arms, four legs, and 2 heads? Is that what a human is? It is part of the woman only in the sense that the life is living and growing inside the mother. Her body is feeding the life. Her body is separate from the life. The life growing in the womb can even have a different blood type than the mother. It is, therefore, an independent life with human DNA.

    It doesn’t matter if you have an abortion because the foetus isn’t a person and it doesn’t hurt the woman anyway.
    You assume it isn’t human, even though it is alive and has human DNA, and then pass judgment that it is not a person.
    • The foetus is alive and death injures it.
    • The foetus has the nature of a human and is injured by killing it by scraping, ripping, and/or sucking its brains out as late term abortions are sometimes done. Then that means the mother has no feelings about the life that has been removed from her womb, that wonderful place that only a woman in her nature has.
    • Does this really leave the woman uninjured? Countless women are psychologically harmed when they kill the child in their womb.
    • The article below written on April 4 2006 supports the PRO LIFE argument above.

    Premature babies experience feelings of pain rather than simply displaying reflex reactions, a study says. Experts have never been sure how a premature baby responds to pain, the Journal of Neuroscience reported. But a team from University College London found that they do feel pain after analysing brain scans taken when blood samples were being drawn. They hope the findings will lead to more formal plans for managing pain in premature babies. Lead researcher Professor Maria Fitzgerald said: “We have shown for the first time that the information about pain reaches the brain in premature babies. Beforehand, although we could assume it, we did not know for sure that these babies could feel pain. These babies’ brains are so immature that it was difficult to genuinely know that the pain was going to their brain.” Previous research had shown that premature babies are capable of displaying behavioural, physiological and metabolic signs of pain and distress. However, the measures were all indirect and could be dismissed as bodily reflex reactions, rather than measures of true pain experience. Researchers conducted brain scans on 18 babies in the neonatal unit at the Elizabeth Garrett Anderson and Obstetric Hospital in central London. The scientists registered the brain activity in the babies – aged between 25 and 45 weeks from conception – before, during and after nurses performed blood tests using a heel lance. The results showed a surge of blood and oxygen in the sensory area of their brains, meaning the pain was processed in the higher levels of the brain, the team said. The team claimed the implications of the findings were clear, saying there was a potential for pain experience to influence brain development.

    If I was raped, I would have an abortion.
    A woman who has been raped will not be ‘unraped’ after an abortion. Abortion will not take away the incestuous violation of a young girl. In fact, in the case of incest, abortion helps protect the abuser by helping to hide his crime.
    Secondly, when rapists are jailed, we do not also jail their children. Killing a child who is a product of rape or incest punishes the child. It does not punish the rapist or abuser. No civilized society punishes a child with death because of the sins of their parents.
    I can understand that a woman who is pregnant due to rape or incest may not want the child. However, killing the child just puts the woman in the position of responding to violence with another act of violence. There are millions of couples eager to adopt babies. There are couples willing to adopt any baby, not just healthy white babies. This allows the woman to not have to forever be reminded of her violation without having to live with the physical and psychological consequences of abortion.
    As awful as rape is, why should the child pay for the wrong doing of another? The baby is innocent of the offence and his or her life shouldn’t be taken because of the act of another.
    The human tissue produces in the woman is the property of the one who produces it.
    But if what is growing in the womb is a person, it cannot be owned. Is the life in the womb property like a cat or a dog that can be owned? Then when does the child stop being the property of the mother? At birth? At one year old? Two? Ten? Twenty? It is animals who are owned, not people — unless you want to reintroduce slavery. If the tissue is not human, but just an organ like the stomach, it belongs to the one in whom it dwells. But, the stomach is meant to be a stomach. The life in the womb is meant to be a person. They are different by design and nature. They are different in nature, because the stomach does not have the ability to become a human. But a human has the ability to produce a stomach. Therefore, being human encompasses its own body but is not defined by it.

    The life in the womb is not human because it is not fully developed.
    This disregards the fact that the nature of the life is human. It has human DNA and is alive. How can its nature not be human if it is alive and has human DNA? This asserts a false premise that someone is not human until he/she is fully developed. What constitutes full development? One hour before birth or one hour after? Is there really a difference? Then when did the natures change? When did the non-human nature develop into a human nature? At what point does it become human and by what criteria do you make this judgment? If you cannot decide when, then you are risking killing a person.
    The life that is growing within the mother is a child, a baby. The “rights” of the mother over and against the rights of the child growing in her. The child, who cannot exercise its own will, is killed and in order to make the killing more palatable, the baby is called a “foetus”, this eases the conscience. What is growing in the womb of the woman is alive. Even once celled creatures are alive and what is growing in the woman is more then a one celled creature. The nature of the life is human. It is the product of human DNA, therefore it is nature is human and because it is human in nature, if left to live, it will result in a human baby. Humans are humans not because they have a feet, hands, walk vertically, and speak, etc. They are humans because of their nature. A person born without arms and legs is still human. A person who cannot speak is still human. A person in a coma, helpless, unaware, unmoving, is human. For those who say the baby isn’t ‘viable’, have you ever seen a sonogram of an abortion? You can see the ‘non-viable foetus’ retracting from the instruments of death and seeking self preservation- It wants to live.
    By not giving me the choice to have an abortion or not is denying me my rights as a woman.
    This is a self-centered reason. It ignores that the life in the womb is human in nature.
    That it is not denying women’s rights anymore than she doesn’t not have the right to murder.
    Rights come with responsibilities. Choosing to kill another is a great responsibility that needs to be taken seriously. This is why we have trials. However, in the womb, no trial is necessary, just the desire of the mother.

    The life in the womb is not human because it is not fully developed.
    This disregards the fact that the nature of the life is human. It has human DNA and is alive. How can its nature not be human if it is alive and has human DNA? This asserts a false premise that someone is not human until he/she is fully developed. What constitutes full development? One hour before birth or one hour after? Is there really a difference? Then when did the natures change? When did the non-human nature develop into a human nature? At what point does it become human and by what criteria do you make this judgment? If you cannot decide when, then you are risking killing a person.
    At no time in your life does more growth and change occur than in the first nine months before birth. Here are the amazing milestones of that time in your life:
    Day 1: Conception: Of the 200,000,000 sperm that try to penetrate the mother’s egg cell, only one succeeds. At that very moment, a new and unique individual is formed. All of the inherited features of this new person are already set – whether it’s a boy or girl, the colour of the eyes, the colour of the hair, the dimples of the cheeks and the cleft of the chin. He or she is smaller than a grain of sugar, but the instructions are present for all that this person will ever become.
    The first cell soon divides in two. Each of these new cells divides again and again as they travel toward the womb in search of a protected place to grow.
    Day 6-14: The new individual at first attaches loosely to the wall of the womb, then burrows deeply and attaches securely to it over the next week. Sensitive pregnancy tests can now show positive, but this depends on the level of hormone produced by the new life. By the end of the second week, the mother’s menstrual period is suppressed by this hormone (hCG) which is produced by her child.
    Day 17: Blood vessels begin to form. Remarkably, the future sex cells that will give rise to sperm or eggs for a new generation begin to group together – only 17 days after this new life is alive itself.
    Day 18-20: The foundations of the brain, spinal cord, and nervous system are laid.
    Day 21: The heart begins to beat, unsurely at first, gaining strength day by day. The heart beats 70 times per minute at first, reaching a maximum of 170-190 at seven weeks, and slowing a bit to 160-180 at 9 weeks. A day later the eyes begin to develop. The earliest stages of the ears are now present.
    Day 26-27: The lungs now begin to form.
    Day 28-32: Two tiny arms make their appearance and budding legs follow two days later. The beginnings of the mouth take shape. The nose starts to develop. The thyroid gland begins to grow. Blood flows in the baby’s veins but stays separate from the mother’s blood. The tongue now begins to form. The face now makes its first appearance.
    Day 36: The baby’s eyes develop their first colour in the retina.
    Day 40: The baby makes her first reflex movements. Touching around the mouth with a fine bristle causes her to flex her neck.
    Day 41: The fingers begin to form, followed by the toes a few days later.
    Day 42: The baby develops nerve connections that will lead to a sense of smell. The brain is now divided into 3 parts – one to experience emotion and understand language, one for hearing and one for seeing. Joints begin to form. Mother now misses second period.
    Day 44: Buds of milk teeth appear. Facial muscles develop. Eyelids begin to form, protecting the developing eyes. Elbows take shape. Internal organs are present, but immature. 99% of muscles are present; each with its own nerve supply. Electrical activity is detectable in brain.
    Day 52: Spontaneous movement begins. The baby then develops a whole collection of moves over the next 4 weeks including hiccupping, frowning, squinting, furrowing the brow, pursing the lips, moving individual arms and legs, head turning, touching the face, breathing (without air), stretching, opening the mouth, yawning, and sucking.

    8 Weeks: The baby is now well-proportioned, and about the size of a thumb. Every organ is present. The liver is making blood, the kidneys function, and the heart beats steadily. The skull, elbows, and knees are forming. Of the 4500 structures in the adult body, 4000 are already present. The skeleton of the arms and legs and the spine begins to stiffen as bone cells are added.

    9 Weeks: If prodded, the baby’s eyelids and hands close. Genitalia that were forming in the 7th week now become visible, indicating whether it’s a boy or girl. However, the doctor won’t be able to tell by ultrasound until the 12th to 20th week. Early muscular movements begin. The thyroid gland turns on.
    10 Weeks: 10 Fingerprints begin their 7 week long formation. The fingernails begin to develop. The eyelids now fuse together until month 7, protecting the delicate eyes. The number of connections between nerves and muscles has tripled since last week.
    11 Weeks: The baby now “practices” breathing, since she will have to breathe air immediately after birth. The baby urinates. Her stomach muscles can now contract. Vocal chords and taste buds form. He/ She can make complex facial expressions and even smile.
    12 Weeks: Fine hair begins to grow on the upper lip and chin and eyebrows. The baby swallows and responds to skin stimulation.
    13 Weeks: The face is prettier, and facial expressions may resemble the parents’. The baby is active, but mom doesn’t feel anything yet.
    15 Weeks: A wild production of nerve cells begins and continues for a month. A second surge will occur at 25 weeks.
    4 Months: Nostrils and toenails become visible. The baby may suck her thumb; turn somersaults and has a firm grip. The ovaries of girls contain beginnings of eggs. She begins to develop sleeping habits. At about 4 ½ months she is able to experience pain.
    5 Months: The testes descend in boys. Mom may feel the baby kick, turn or hiccup and may be able to identify a bulge as an elbow or head. Each side of the brain has a billion nerve cells now.
    6 Months: The baby will be able to hear by next week. The child sleeps and wakes, nestling in her favourite positions to sleep, and stretches upon waking up.
    7 Months: The eyelids begin to reopen, preparing to see the outside world. Eyelashes have now become well developed.
    8 Months: Skin becomes pink and smooth. The pupils of eye respond to light. Fingernails reach to the tip of the finger. The baby is really getting cramped now.
    9.5 Months: The child triggers labour and birth occurs, an average of 264-270 days after conception.

    A question for those who still are thinking of abortion and that the life in the womb is not human. Is it okay, to take a fertilized egg between a man and a woman and place it in the womb of a dog? If you say no, then why? If it is not human then it doesn’t matter, right? If you say no because it will become a human then you admit that it has human nature and is alive. If it is human in nature and alive, then you do not have the right to abort it.

  12. so what if your reaped?
    I think that Abortion is Murder, but it should be leagal to have it if you chose not to have by some sranger….But if you are a teen and chose to have sex then you should no the consequences of what you are doin. Yea, sure you can barley suport there is adoption..yea can barley find anyone that wants to adopt..well try harder people that can find some one to adopt its cause they are not trying
    if you try there is a BIG proability that you will find someone that will happyly take care of it
    and there are people that cant have babies that woud love to adopt one
    there are alot of options all you have to do is look….I dont no why they made it possible to have this..its rediculouse..just think everychild you kll could have had a bright future a head of them but no one wanted to give them a chance ..

  13. I’m sorry, but it annoys the shit out of me when people come here to defend pro-life views and can’t fucking spell. Beyond that, they use stupid, fucking logic. Honestly. If you want to at least be taken a bit seriously, learn to use a spell checker for the English language for fuck’s sake.

    Also, anyone who comes here and is pro-life but for the death penalty is about as hypocritical as it gets. That is textbook hypocritical! Or, those who believe Bin Laden should be killed and babies shouldn’t. You just want to choose who YOU want to kill. It’s fucking bullshit, the way you want to play God, but insist everyone else is being so immoral. You are whores to your religion. You are no better than those you condemn. In fact, you’re worse. At least those who have abortions acknowledge their place and capabilities on this earth. Those who condemn them are unaware that they are doing anything wrong.

    And, for anyone who says, “So what if you’re raped?” FUCK YOU. May you be raped and get pregnant to see what it’s like. Or, better yet, may you be raped so badly that you can’t have children and have to adopt. That will make you feel better about yourself that you can take one of these unwanted children off someone else’s hands. Be sure to come by and tell me about that experience if it happens. Dumb shits!

    You caught me on the wrong fucking day!

  14. Oh, by the way, that little fucking coward Emily did not provide a valid email address. Typical! Keeping the whois info about her in case she decides to get shitty about it.


  15. Wow, you are teh murd3r! Lyk, j00 pwn bab335! LAWL!
    On a more serious note, Tia, for all of the crap you spewed, you couldn’t even provide a source. Of course, it was probably cut and pasted from a biased, and incredibly fucked up source, but nah, just state it like it’s a fact and don’t give a source so that it isn’t obvious to people watching that you’re spouting a load of shit. 😀

  16. I aborted two unwanted pregnancies during my late teens/early 20s..the first one was mutually agreed upon. The second I buckled under pressure coming from all sides. I had intended to keep the baby. Though I hope I will never have to make that decision again, I would not take away another woman’s right to choose. It’s noone else’s business except hers and who she chooses to share it with. It’s sad but it does happen. Those who haven’t been put in the situation, and even those who have, need to stop spewing hateful things towards those who have had made a decision, one that was right for them at the time. It is them alone who has to live with it for the rest of their lives, noone else.

  17. I am pro-choice because every pregnant woman has a unique set of circumstances. Because no one can tell me what I can do with my body. Because many unwanted pregnancies end in unwanted babies who are abused, live in poverty.
    According to Freakonomics, legalized abortion ended up being the greatest reducer of crime in the US. Because many unwanted babies grow up in poor circumstances and as teens and adults criminals.

    I came across your site as I was searching abortion vs adoption to write a rebuttal to an opinion column about critisizing Dr. Henry Morgentaler recieving the order of Canada.

    As for the pro-lifers, how many of them are adopting disabled babies or babies that are a different race as them? (white?)

  18. linda, i think that the fact that your so passionate about your opinon is great (even if i dont agree). but comparing abortion and the death penalty is a little extreme. someone who is put on death row has obviously done something to deserve it, but what crime are you holding against an unborn child? that they too should deserve death without even being given the chance to live?

    in Christ~

  19. Chelsea,

    I’m saying that killing/murdering is killing/murdering. I think that those who are okay with the death penalty are saying, “I think it’s okay to kill this person.” Is that okay with God? I think that if that person is a Christian who advocates life in one situation, they should advocate it in all situations. If you can’t do that, you are not pro life…you’re just pro non-abortion. It’s extremely hypocritical to want to play judge, jury an executioner for one person and then not allow others to do so with other people. You’re saying that you’re right and everyone else is wrong, especially the majority of people who have pushed for this to be in law. How about letting God be the moral police and being concerned about your own life? And by the way, I’m not saying that I’m right and everyone else is wrong. I am saying that I want to be able to say what I can do with my body and that which occurs within my body and I want others to have that right as well.

  20. Added this to say, wow, I really WAS in a bad mood on Oct.22, 2007. I mean, damn! I do get a little annoyed when people come to my blog (house) and decide they want to poo poo things without providing real info about themselves.

    Anyway, also wanted to add that I am not pro abortion. I’ve spent many hours talking some women out of the decision to abort. I would happily do it at any point. What I won’t do is tell a woman what is right or wrong for her. That’s not my job. It’s God’s.

  21. Linda i think your awsome for expressing your views the way you do, and you bring in alot of issues. I was reading this article on and its not bias so it gives you the facts straight up.

    I think that Abortion should be legal to all women. Who is to say what one individual is allowed and what not to do with there own body.

    Alot of people say just give them for adoption. OK so what about all the mothers that do give them for adoption, not all kids are as lucky as the ones in this blog and have the chance like them to get adopted. Thoses agencies cant keep up with the rates of adoption now days.

    Oh and linda i think you bringing the Death Penalty is a great issue because its no diffrent then abortion. AND if aporions became illiegal and women still want it illegaly there still gonna get one, there called back alley abortions which are very dangerous to the mother, and in some cases some have even been killed.

    Im a 18 year old MAN who has seen alot and know people that decide to have their Babys and i wished that they didnt because i could of seen them go so far in their life but when they had there kid it all stopped, and i feel so sorry for them

  22. Why thank you Linda =]

    Oh and my email is real so dont get mad hehe =]

    How long have you ahd this blog open for?

    Hey linda do you know any good websites that are non bias that can give me some adoption stats?

    thanks Benjie

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